Still plugging away on the DAWE families of Sth West Devon, many descendants of whom are descendants of my KING and BARTER ancestors.
Many of the KING/BARTER rellies have now been better documented as a result of this exercise, which has highlighted, yet again, how inter-related many of these families are!
Today's intriguing find is a couple who appear to have married twice within a month - and no it doesn't look like banns in both parishes.
Mary Maria Pitt GILES and William SPURRELL are indexed as marrying in Devonport, with the FindMyPast transcription showing this was 22 Oct 1913 at St John's.
FamilySearch has the image of a marriage licence in Cook Co., Illinois of a 36 yr old William SPURRELL of Chicago marrying a 33 yrs Mary Maria Pitt GILES on 11th Nov 1913!
In between there's an passenger list into Montreal on 5th Nov 1913 showing William, 36, and Mary, 33, as SPURRELL, both "married", with William's children, William and Joseph, from his prior marriage (which children are with their grandparents in Wembury in the 1911 census).
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Friday, 30 November 2012
Tuesday, 13 October 2009
13th: Let me count the ways
How many variants can there be for finding the surname CREBER in the indexes?
A couple of marriage certs for Richard CREBERs turned up today, ordered after I got confused about the identification in 1841 of who Eliza was with.
(Eliza is the one from the other day's entry, who married Robert PEARCE, and sister of Henry CREBER, all of whom ended up in Ontario).
The best 1841 candidate was of a 21 yr old Eliza with a Richard (34) and Mary (35) at Yealamade, Sheepstor.
However, that Richard doesn't exactly look like her brother Richard, as he is more likely to be with wife Mary (GILES) at Welltown, Walkhampton.
The next most likely candidate, a cousin Richard, son of James CREBER and Agnes SPRY was married to 1st wife Margaret at the time (2nd wife Mary BALL didn't come along until 1844) and they appear at Huckworthy Bridge, Sampford Spiney as expected.
Looking at the other Richards in the timeframe led me to the 1801 Richard son of Richard CREBER and Elizabeth SPRY and I noticed that some ancestry trees provide him with a wife and family in London.
Took me a while to verify this, beyond the easily found, but inconclusive, marriage record to Elizabeth WARE.
Census data indexed them as CREBO (1851), ALBER (1861), COLBER (1871), and yes, one states he was born Walkhampton.
Yet another musical CREBER family, as Richard, and son Samuel are both enumerated as pianoforte makers.
Son Samuel added to the count, by being enumerated as CREVER (1861) but indexed as BREVER.
However, that didn't solve my mystery of the Sheepstor 1841 census Richard and Mary.
Creber, Barter and King descendant charts has been updated to include a few more twigs, as has the DAWE descendant chart, and a page for Honor DAWE (marr. to Nicholas/Henry COMBELLACK) has been added.
A couple of marriage certs for Richard CREBERs turned up today, ordered after I got confused about the identification in 1841 of who Eliza was with.
(Eliza is the one from the other day's entry, who married Robert PEARCE, and sister of Henry CREBER, all of whom ended up in Ontario).
The best 1841 candidate was of a 21 yr old Eliza with a Richard (34) and Mary (35) at Yealamade, Sheepstor.
However, that Richard doesn't exactly look like her brother Richard, as he is more likely to be with wife Mary (GILES) at Welltown, Walkhampton.
The next most likely candidate, a cousin Richard, son of James CREBER and Agnes SPRY was married to 1st wife Margaret at the time (2nd wife Mary BALL didn't come along until 1844) and they appear at Huckworthy Bridge, Sampford Spiney as expected.
Looking at the other Richards in the timeframe led me to the 1801 Richard son of Richard CREBER and Elizabeth SPRY and I noticed that some ancestry trees provide him with a wife and family in London.
Took me a while to verify this, beyond the easily found, but inconclusive, marriage record to Elizabeth WARE.
Census data indexed them as CREBO (1851), ALBER (1861), COLBER (1871), and yes, one states he was born Walkhampton.
Yet another musical CREBER family, as Richard, and son Samuel are both enumerated as pianoforte makers.
Son Samuel added to the count, by being enumerated as CREVER (1861) but indexed as BREVER.
However, that didn't solve my mystery of the Sheepstor 1841 census Richard and Mary.
Creber, Barter and King descendant charts has been updated to include a few more twigs, as has the DAWE descendant chart, and a page for Honor DAWE (marr. to Nicholas/Henry COMBELLACK) has been added.
Wednesday, 27 August 2008
CREBER page
Further to the John CREBER/Margaret GILES as per 26th: Helen provided the 1827 burial info for a 75 yr old Margaret CREBER, of Dostabrook, wife of a John, buried Walkhampton. I believe this makes the John CREBER living with Henry and Joan TOOP in 1841 at Dotterbrook, Par. of Whitchurch, Joan's father, and therefore her mother is this Margaret, nee GILES.
Given so many of these Devon families are related, or connected, to the CREBER tribe(s), even though the earlier lot are not my forebears, I have included a CREBER web page with a couple of charts on how I think some of the families are connected. A lot of the data has been gleaned from census records, and a fair bit of it checked against BDM data, but not all. For these families, a great deal of economy of effort is to be found, find one census record, sometimes it covers several inter-related families.
Given so many of these Devon families are related, or connected, to the CREBER tribe(s), even though the earlier lot are not my forebears, I have included a CREBER web page with a couple of charts on how I think some of the families are connected. A lot of the data has been gleaned from census records, and a fair bit of it checked against BDM data, but not all. For these families, a great deal of economy of effort is to be found, find one census record, sometimes it covers several inter-related families.
Identifying John CREBERs
When working on Devon families around Walkhampton, Buckland Monachorum, Whitchurch etc, you just cannot avoid CREBERs. I've convinced myself that the Joan CREBER who married Henry TOOP is the one at Dotterbrook in Tavistock in 1841, with what looks like her father John. And that this John is the one who married Margaret GILES. John buried Walkhampton 1845, Henry and Joan (CREBER) TOOP buried Buckland Monachorum, 1844 and 1850 respectively.
Does anyone agree, or disagree, and if the latter, have you more evidence than I on where he belongs?
Family Tree DNA are offering good discounts for their tests until the end of August. Anyone interested in joining the FAIRBAIRN, SINTON, ROWE, RUNCIMAN, DAWE or FINLAYSON projects should get in quick.
If you do so, make sure you find the right surname project and use that to order the test or else the discounts wont be applied, eg a 37 marker test is $119 US, and a 67 marker includes the mt dna test for only slightly more than the usual 67 marker Y-DNA test, at $289 US.
Does anyone agree, or disagree, and if the latter, have you more evidence than I on where he belongs?
Family Tree DNA are offering good discounts for their tests until the end of August. Anyone interested in joining the FAIRBAIRN, SINTON, ROWE, RUNCIMAN, DAWE or FINLAYSON projects should get in quick.
If you do so, make sure you find the right surname project and use that to order the test or else the discounts wont be applied, eg a 37 marker test is $119 US, and a 67 marker includes the mt dna test for only slightly more than the usual 67 marker Y-DNA test, at $289 US.
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